Monday, December 19, 2005

We Will Soon be Outnumbered, Vastly

It's true that secular humanists are already outnumbered by the religiosity in the United States. And that trend will only increase. As we can see from secular Europe (particularly Scandinavia), as a culture gets more secular, the birthrate tends to decrease. Secularists tend to have only as many children as they can reasonably support. The more religious (Catholics for instance, or the Fundamentalist Mormons in Colorado City) view children as a gift from God and see it as their duty (at least in the case of Catholics) to be open to life (meaning not using birth control). As such, the birthrate of the religiosity will continue to climb (or at least stay constant) while the birthrate of the secularists will continue to decrease. Because the babies of today are the leaders of tomorrow, the result will be a theocratic state in the US within 30 years.

So to any "conservatives" who are worried about the demise of Christmas or widespread acceptance of gay marriage, take heart. The longer you persevere and the more kids you have, the more you guarantee a future of your making. Time is on your side. Its inevitable and scary.


Blogger Matt said...

Most of the threat is conservative demagoguery. You know the mindset - we're under attack and so must band together to vote for this person. Sure, he may have fiscal policies that impoverish everybody you know, but at least he pays lip service to your social/religious concerns. Even if he doesn't do anything about them, at least he pays the lip service, which makes him a damn sight better than any stinking liberal who wants you to have a liveable wage, health care, good education for your kids, etc etc.

It reminds me of nothing so much as the way the Onion editorials (in the book) talk about the Spanish.

7:14 AM  
Blogger Fishfrog said...

Matt, you point out one of the bizarre political phenomena of demagoguery. I've never understood why the vast majority of protestants vote for the party whose policies embrace so few of the ideals advanced by Jesus. Tax cuts for the rich, gutting of social welfare programs, and war-mongering seem antithetical to the message of Jesus' love. The cynical lip service paid to Christian values by some in the Republican party carries a lot more weight than you would think. Sad and confusing.

8:36 AM  
Blogger Squishy Burrito said...

Fundamentalist Mormons are not Mormons.

10:36 AM  
Blogger Fishfrog said...

SB is correct. "Fundamentalist Mormons" are not Mormons. They have ignored fundamental tenets of actual Mormonism and perverted it to serve their own ideals, ideals which are NOT supported by the modern Mormon church.

11:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you have time, check out the aricle in Harper's: Jesus without the Miracles. December 2005

2:31 PM  
Blogger freethoughtmom said...

> the result will be a theocratic state in the US within 30 years.

think it'll take 30 years?

The only difference between Mormons and Fundie Mormons is that Mormons reject one section of founder Joseph Smith's teachings called the D & C (Doctrine & Covenants). Everything else is the same!

In Krakauer's book _Under the Banner of Heaven_, he points out that if the early Mormons hadn't been persecuted for their polygamy, they wouldn't have had the "under attack" mentality that matt writes about.

And, if the mainline Mormons hadn't later dropped the D & C (the polygamy teachings of Smith), it's likely they wouldn't have ever expanded the church like it is today.

I've never heard that the fundies ignore & distort tenants, fishfrog, I believe they practice their religion closer to how Smith intented it to be practiced. Scary!

8:25 AM  
Blogger freethoughtmom said...

great original post, by the way :)

10:47 AM  
Blogger Fishfrog said...

Well, the fundies may practice the religion closer to how Smith intended it, but that in itself involves a rejection of the fundamental tenet that God speaks to specific leaders in the church. The rift between the fundies and Mormons developed when some within the church refused to believe that God had told the church elders that the practices had to change. I may be a little off, as I am not a Mormon, but I think that is the major tenet that the fundies disregard.

By the by, I have read "Under the Banner of Heaven," and its quite a good book.

Also, thanks for reading, Free Thought Mom. I enjoyed your comments over on John Bartlett's blog a month or so ago. It's good to hear from fellow atheists.

1:04 PM  
Blogger freethoughtmom said...

oh yeah, I forgot about that part (God speaking to the leaders). My one year old was falling asleep in my arms as I was trying to tap out my message. Then later I realized that SB is a friend and thought I spoke out of line. Sorry if I did.

Poor john, didn't know there are articulate people with a very different worldview. I did check back there today. I debated telling him [during the discussion] "John: will be remembered as nice, earnest & decent, but not as a curious sort of fellow", but then his "afraid of a punch in the nose" post line still makes me growl...

love your blog name!

8:07 PM  
Blogger Fishfrog said...

Thanks FTM, I'm concerned that not many people pick up on how clever I am as evidenced in my blog title. This shows your impressive intellect.

Poor John. He is a hell of a nice guy, though. The lack of curiosity you mention seems to apply to the majority of Americans, and is one reason that I think you may be right that 30 years is a conservative estimate for the arrival of the theocratic state.

10:51 PM  

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